77s Message Board
Register Calendar Members List Team Members Search Frequently Asked Questions Go to the Main Page

77s Message Board » General Discussion » Unbalanced timing » Hello Guest [Login|Register]
Last Post | First Unread Post Print Page | Recommend to a Friend | Add Thread to Favorites
Post New Thread Post Reply
Go to the bottom of this page Unbalanced timing
Author
Post « Previous Thread | Next Thread »
feuer
Someone New

Registration Date: 04-17-2012
Posts: 1

Unbalanced timing Reply to this Post Post Reply with Quote Edit/Delete Posts Report Post to a Moderator       Go to the top of this page

For musicians... I have always found the timing of "unbalanced" interesting. I find it challenging to "play along" with (especially while driving a standard, texting, and drinking coffee), and holds my attention longer than most rock songs. Am I alone in this? Any theory majors able to explain this to a novice?

This post has been edited 1 time(s), it was last edited by feuer: 04-18-2012 04:24.

04-17-2012 20:42 feuer is offline Send an Email to feuer Search for Posts by feuer Add feuer to your Buddy List
Doctor Love Doctor Love is a male
Doctor Love


images/avatars/avatar-298.jpg

Registration Date: 08-24-2004
Posts: 1,928
Location: on the moon Alice

RE: Unbalanced timing Reply to this Post Post Reply with Quote Edit/Delete Posts Report Post to a Moderator       Go to the top of this page

It’s funny. For years I harbored the illusion that this tune was in 7/8 for some reason, but it’s actually 6/8 on the verses (and the bridge, I think) and 4/4 on the choruses.

I believe it sounds trickier than it really is due to Bruce’s uneven rhythm pattern, which would have to be analyzed by someone better versed in breaking down polyrhythms than myself. Mark’s bass pattern adds to the confusion quite nicely!

This track is by far and away one of the latter day 77s’ most successful experiments, combining the rhythm section’s penchant for jamming on a funky riff and my desire to boogie woogie it up but still retain a sense of melody on that bridge (which also features a bit of surf music!) I wish it had been recorded a little better, but this tape originated from a jam in a garage studio that belonged to a friend of ours in town. We never thought it would become a master track so there wasn’t a lot of attention given to technical details, but once the ball started rolling we just went with it. This same studio yielded “The Years Go Down” and “Blue Sky”, and I also cut the vocals there for “Sevens”. Bruce cut all the drum tracks for The Strawmen’s Saving Faded Dreams there as well. We just kept working in that garage because it was local, cheap and we got lucky with Unbalanced and hoped it would continue to magically stimulate us towards more creativity.

It did.

We should have kept working over there. I’m not sure that the latter day band ever got better than when we were.

Doctor Love has attached this image:
77s_-_EP.jpg

04-29-2012 00:27 Doctor Love is offline Send an Email to Doctor Love Homepage of Doctor Love Search for Posts by Doctor Love Add Doctor Love to your Buddy List AIM Screen Name of Doctor Love: micro77s YIM Account Name of Doctor Love: micro77s View the MSN Profile for Doctor Love
77 bc 77 bc is a male
Radioactive Hatchling


images/avatars/avatar-381.gif

Registration Date: 11-17-2004
Posts: 9,857
Favorite 77s album: The one's Mike plays guitar on
Location: Springtown

Reply to this Post Post Reply with Quote Edit/Delete Posts Report Post to a Moderator       Go to the top of this page

one of the reasons that "ep" is still one of my all time favorite recordings!

__________________
"tell me, what's worth more
what you'll lie for or
what you'll die for
i follow my heart
and it lies and it lies
and i don't understand it"


~ Roe/Harmon ~ "Woody"
04-30-2012 16:28 77 bc is offline Homepage of 77 bc Search for Posts by 77 bc Add 77 bc to your Buddy List AIM Screen Name of 77 bc: forty dlux
Kit Kit is a male
Flower in the Sand


images/avatars/avatar-587.jpg

Registration Date: 06-02-2004
Posts: 1,680
Location: AUSKIMG TEGSAGS

Reply to this Post Post Reply with Quote Edit/Delete Posts Report Post to a Moderator       Go to the top of this page

"Unbalanced" is a good song, and that surf bridge is killer, but it's my 4th fav song from that EP. Lyrically, it's got nothing on "The Years Go Down". Also, "Blue Sky" is one of those songs I pull out when I want to play The 77s and melt faces at the same time. That part around the 2:07-2:31 mark is probably out ranked only by "Perfect Blues", "Woody", and "Pearls Before Swine", as far as ass-scorching moments in the 77s canon. And yes, I did consider "Ping Pong Over the Abyss". Wink

__________________

This post has been edited 1 time(s), it was last edited by Kit: 04-30-2012 20:46.

04-30-2012 20:44 Kit is offline Send an Email to Kit Homepage of Kit Search for Posts by Kit Add Kit to your Buddy List AIM Screen Name of Kit: Nakedprey77
Doctor Love Doctor Love is a male
Doctor Love


images/avatars/avatar-298.jpg

Registration Date: 08-24-2004
Posts: 1,928
Location: on the moon Alice

all she needed …. Reply to this Post Post Reply with Quote Edit/Delete Posts Report Post to a Moderator       Go to the top of this page

Glad you liked Blue Sky, Kit, but I honestly haven’t heard it in probably ten years. We never felt we got it down right. We didn’t even track it right, and left out parts. Bruce’s drum track then had to be edited and pieced together to make it work. That’s why he’s doing all those weird fills in the wrong places and in the middle of verses etc. He would never have played it that way normally. I think we all just kinda wrote it off immediately, but I salvaged it for myself in my solo concerts by slowing it down and changing the feel of it a la Stephen Stills. It really works for me and is rarely out of my sets.

Is the ass-scorching moment in my guitar solo? I hope so ~~ : D

p.s. I agree with you about The Years Go Down. That one was intriguing ~~

quote:
Originally posted by Kit
"Unbalanced" is a good song, and that surf bridge is killer, but it's my 4th fav song from that EP. Lyrically, it's got nothing on "The Years Go Down". Also, "Blue Sky" is one of those songs I pull out when I want to play The 77s and melt faces at the same time. That part around the 2:07-2:31 mark is probably out ranked only by "Perfect Blues", "Woody", and "Pearls Before Swine", as far as ass-scorching moments in the 77s canon. And yes, I did consider "Ping Pong Over the Abyss". Wink

Doctor Love has attached this image:
77s_-_Late.jpg

05-01-2012 01:24 Doctor Love is offline Send an Email to Doctor Love Homepage of Doctor Love Search for Posts by Doctor Love Add Doctor Love to your Buddy List AIM Screen Name of Doctor Love: micro77s YIM Account Name of Doctor Love: micro77s View the MSN Profile for Doctor Love
Ping Pong Over the Abyss Ping Pong Over the Abyss is a male
Unbalanced


images/avatars/avatar-202.gif

Registration Date: 02-21-2006
Posts: 1,086
Favorite 77s album: Too Many...!
Location: In my earbuds...!

Reply to this Post Post Reply with Quote Edit/Delete Posts Report Post to a Moderator       Go to the top of this page

quote:
Originally posted by Kit. And yes, I did consider "Ping Pong Over the Abyss". Wink


Thank ya...thank ya very much. Uh-huh.






Tongue

__________________
"Sunshine on my shoulder makes me sweaty...!" Dr. Love Big Grin
05-01-2012 04:29 Ping Pong Over the Abyss is online Send an Email to Ping Pong Over the Abyss Search for Posts by Ping Pong Over the Abyss Add Ping Pong Over the Abyss to your Buddy List
Kit Kit is a male
Flower in the Sand


images/avatars/avatar-587.jpg

Registration Date: 06-02-2004
Posts: 1,680
Location: AUSKIMG TEGSAGS

RE: all she needed …. Reply to this Post Post Reply with Quote Edit/Delete Posts Report Post to a Moderator       Go to the top of this page

quote:
Originally posted by Doctor Love
Glad you liked Blue Sky, Kit, but I honestly haven’t heard it in probably ten years.


Wow.

It actually at one point was probably my least fav from that EP, but the lil' booger snuck up on me over the years.

And yeah, you guys have been doing a cool unplugged version of "Blue Sky" in a live setting. It obviously wasn't the full on rock version, but it had some interesting chords that, to my ears, sounded slightly different from the EP/Late version.

quote:
Originally posted by Doctor Love

Is the ass-scorching moment in my guitar solo? I hope so ~~ : D


Yep, pretty much.

__________________

This post has been edited 3 time(s), it was last edited by Kit: 05-01-2012 08:35.

05-01-2012 08:27 Kit is offline Send an Email to Kit Homepage of Kit Search for Posts by Kit Add Kit to your Buddy List AIM Screen Name of Kit: Nakedprey77
MarkyMark77 MarkyMark77 is a male
Drowning with Land in Sight

images/avatars/avatar-456.jpg

Registration Date: 03-24-2005
Posts: 465
Favorite 77s album: 99
Location: Illinois

Reply to this Post Post Reply with Quote Edit/Delete Posts Report Post to a Moderator       Go to the top of this page

My favorite 7's record. Wish it was a full length. Continues where the best of TTB leaves off. You hit it out of the park with this one, Mike.

__________________

05-01-2012 19:01 MarkyMark77 is offline Send an Email to MarkyMark77 Homepage of MarkyMark77 Search for Posts by MarkyMark77 Add MarkyMark77 to your Buddy List
jason
Someone New

Registration Date: 06-03-2004
Posts: 75

Reply to this Post Post Reply with Quote Edit/Delete Posts Report Post to a Moderator       Go to the top of this page

quote:
Originally posted by MarkyMark77
My favorite 7's record. Wish it was a full length. Continues where the best of TTB leaves off. You hit it out of the park with this one, Mike.


Agree!
05-02-2012 05:25 jason is offline Send an Email to jason Search for Posts by jason Add jason to your Buddy List
22football.com
unregistered
RE: Unbalanced timing Reply to this Post Post Reply with Quote Edit/Delete Posts Report Post to a Moderator       Go to the top of this page

Hibernian’s 2012/13perugia shirt had already been released by the Edinburgh outfit around three weeks back.
07-03-2012 00:50
Kit Kit is a male
Flower in the Sand


images/avatars/avatar-587.jpg

Registration Date: 06-02-2004
Posts: 1,680
Location: AUSKIMG TEGSAGS

RE: Unbalanced timing Reply to this Post Post Reply with Quote Edit/Delete Posts Report Post to a Moderator       Go to the top of this page

quote:
Originally posted by 22football.com
Hibernian’s 2012/13perugia shirt had already been released by the Edinburgh outfit around three weeks back.


yeah but what is your opinion on rodgertutt?

__________________

07-03-2012 08:13 Kit is offline Send an Email to Kit Homepage of Kit Search for Posts by Kit Add Kit to your Buddy List AIM Screen Name of Kit: Nakedprey77
Marti Marti is a female
Radioactive Crow


Registration Date: 06-01-2004
Posts: 10,057
Favorite 77s album: Drowning with Land in Sight

Reply to this Post Post Reply with Quote Edit/Delete Posts Report Post to a Moderator       Go to the top of this page

I reported the spam. It'll be gone eventually.

__________________
“This Jesus that the Christians speak of, he sounds like a good man. Why don’t they follow his teachings?” - Crazy Horse
07-03-2012 13:16 Marti is offline Send an Email to Marti Homepage of Marti Search for Posts by Marti Add Marti to your Buddy List
Tree Structure | Board Structure
Jump to:
Post New Thread Post Reply
77s Message Board » General Discussion » Unbalanced timing

Forum Software: Burning Board 2.3.6, Developed by WoltLab GmbH